Should we resurrect cfopenbb?
As many of you are probably aware, the cfopenbb project never really got off the ground. A few weeks ago it was officially abandoned. While I think it was a great idea, in my opinion the execution plan was flawed from the beginning because it was an attempt to do a file-by-file port of phpbb. As you can imagine this caused numerous issues and combined with the lack of clear decisions about how to handle the PHP -> CF mismatches, it's probably no surprise this didn't take off. I'm not saying any of this to criticize so much as to point out why in my estimation things never took off.
As I said above, however, I think it was a great idea, and while I didn't have the time to take up the former leader of the project on the offer to take things over before it got abandoned, I think at some point it would be great to readdress the project, albeit in a different way. When I see how many deployments there are of phpbb and some of the really, really nice free .NET message board apps out there, I know we as a community can match or better these offerings with ColdFusion.
So what I'd really like to do is get a sense of how many people think A) coming up with a world-class, free message board app is a good idea, and B) how many people would be interested in helping with the development. This isn't a commitment, it's just to gauge interest at this point. And before you answer, consider this a clean slate--it doesn't have to (nor should it, really) be approached in the same way cfopenbb was originally. We could take this in any direction that makes sense.
Post comments here if you're interested or have other thoughts on this potential endeavor.
As I said above, however, I think it was a great idea, and while I didn't have the time to take up the former leader of the project on the offer to take things over before it got abandoned, I think at some point it would be great to readdress the project, albeit in a different way. When I see how many deployments there are of phpbb and some of the really, really nice free .NET message board apps out there, I know we as a community can match or better these offerings with ColdFusion.
So what I'd really like to do is get a sense of how many people think A) coming up with a world-class, free message board app is a good idea, and B) how many people would be interested in helping with the development. This isn't a commitment, it's just to gauge interest at this point. And before you answer, consider this a clean slate--it doesn't have to (nor should it, really) be approached in the same way cfopenbb was originally. We could take this in any direction that makes sense.
Post comments here if you're interested or have other thoughts on this potential endeavor.
I would support to go for a 'modern' cfBB app, build with a cfframework not a file-per-file port of phpBB.
How about a name? Should I see if we can adopt cfopenbb or do you want to come up with something else?
Eric
As someone who volunteered for cfopenBB my opinion is that trying to port phpBB line for line was a major factor in it not getting off the ground. I don't know php and I think a lot of the other volunteers didn't either so we were looking for some direction from someone who did. That direction never came.
It would be cool to have both html and flex as front end and admin options.
Also, I hope we start out small and make sure we nail the essentials before moving on to the fluff. For instance, I would really like to see something like punbb (http://www.punbb.org) starting out and then add the extra features later in the release cycle.
sorry if this is more input than you are really asking for at this point.
There are other infrastructure concerns of course, with communication being the main one. How do those of you interested in participating want to communicate? Mailing list? Yahoo group or something similar? Message board hosted on our own server? Let's get that figured out ASAP.
I feel the more we push towards an Open Source CF community the more CF will see developers coming to it, especially as now ColdFusion hosting is becoming cheaper by the day!
What about this name: Fusion Forum
- Tony
It seems to be a common failing in the CF community regarding open source projects that we keep re-inventing the same ol' wheels over and over again. The end result is that there are a bunch of half-assed apps out there that no one wants to use. If cfopenbb failed, despite all the apparent support and offers of help, why will BoardFusion be any different? Why not rally around an existing project that does a lot (most?) of what folks actually want from a forums app?
We've had many lengthy discussions thus far among the developers who've signed on for the project and if we reach our goals the end result will be anything but half-assed (but thanks for the vote of confidence!).
Why it will be different than cfopenbb? There was IMO a fundamental flaw with the approach that was being attempted with that project. BoardFusion is not picking up where cfopenbb left off other than in the spirit of creating a world-class open-source forum solution that just happens to be in CF.
time will tell but why don't you give matt the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Are we running low on CF programmers? Do we need to ration people's efforts now so everyone who wants to participate in an open-source project should be assigned to specific projects? I, for one, like the idea that there might be competing (yes, even half-assed) projects out there. That's what makes this fun. If I wanted to sign onto a formalized development team to do someone's bidding, I'd go to work.
If you can't handle a little beautiful uncertainty, stay out of the open-source movement.
Everyone seems to have overreacted to my comment. Matt explained why he does not want to use Galleon as a base for BoardFusion and that's fine - that wasn't clear from the original post. I wish him luck.
I would just like to see a little more teamwork in the ColdFusion open source movement... that's what has made great software in the (non-ColdFusion) open source world (think Apache, OpenOffice, GNU libraries etc etc).
A lot of people lament the lack of good, free, open source ColdFusion applications and the main reason is that many folks just want to build a little toy app on their own "just for fun". A lot of people want to take but not give...
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